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one, get us ingee independent, north america energy independent. that creates 4 million jobs. two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number 4, get to us a balanced budget. number 5, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last four years, small business people have decided that america may not be the place to open a new business. >> people hear that, there is no stuttering, there is no i'm not really sure what i'm talking about here. these are the five things he believes it. there was a lot of conviction that he conveyed last night. >> and i wanted to write all those lists down and a bunch of post its and stick them all over bob beckel's body. he was asking for specifics. you have to pass it on. >> let me say -- >> those are specifics. what exactly makes you think he can deliver on any of that? >> because he's actually someone wit
one, get us ingee independent, north america energy independent. that creates 4 million jobs. two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number 4, get to us a balanced budget. number 5, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last four years, small...
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governor romney and i, we both agree that we've got to boost american energy production. one of the things i suspect governor romney and i probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community colleges so they are setting up their training programs. >> do you agree, governor? >> let me finish my point. >> what's the strategy there? why try to raise romney up to his level? >> yeah, you know, it was one of those moments where i was watching this on twitter where people who supported the president were literally having their heads exploding. this is where you see the obama camp sometimes reading too much into what makes him more popular and likable. i think they see, well, he's a guy willing to compromise and be conciliatory. they didn't want to sacrifice likability in order to go against mitt romney, but unfortunately that's not how you debate. i think they need to go back and stop trying to shore up what's already there, that the president is likable. the president is president so he doesn't have to reinforce presidential sort of bearing. he needs to litigate the
governor romney and i, we both agree that we've got to boost american energy production. one of the things i suspect governor romney and i probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community colleges so they are setting up their training programs. >> do you agree, governor? >> let me finish my point. >> what's the strategy there? why try to raise romney up to his level? >> yeah, you know, it was one of those moments where i was watching this on twitter where...
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energy stock very strong. romney made a big pitch and produce more american energy. is this or is this not a ronny rally? nicole petallides. nicole: this absolutely can be a -- [talking over each other] nicole: i am a journalist first. absolutely. when you talk to traders on wall street a majority, 90% or more will say governor romney is the better choice, better candidate for business and growth and job creation and such. you can go with that theory definitely. one of the traders was talking about obamacare and wanted to know if that would cover president obama himself after last night's will thing. stuart: that is very cool. but good. thank you very much. it can be a romney rally. recovering investment banker carol, you think it is. >> i think it adds to it. i don't think we can give the entire thing to romney but adds to it. stuart: you are hedging again. >> you have to hedge your bets. >> romney is good for the economy. barack obama has been bad for the economy. i am not a market -- [talking over each other] >> take the uncertainty out of the market. stuart: the
energy stock very strong. romney made a big pitch and produce more american energy. is this or is this not a ronny rally? nicole petallides. nicole: this absolutely can be a -- [talking over each other] nicole: i am a journalist first. absolutely. when you talk to traders on wall street a majority, 90% or more will say governor romney is the better choice, better candidate for business and growth and job creation and such. you can go with that theory definitely. one of the traders was talking...
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one, get us energy-independent. north american energy independent. that creates about four million jobs. number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america, crack down on china, if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget. number five, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america, and over the last four years small business people have decided that america may not be the place to open a new business because new business start-ups are down to a 30-year low. i know what it takes to get small business going again, to hire people. now, i'm concerned that the path that we're on has just been unsuccessful. the president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle down government, would work. that's not the right answer for america. i'll rest
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you have given much more tax breaks to the alternative energy energy and you have nothing to show for it. president obama just looked at him. at the end of the day barack obama couldn't engage on substance last night. the facts aren't going to get any better between thousand and the next two debates. the alternative energy market is not going to start working in the next two weeks. the obama economic policies aren't going to be working in the effect two weeks. it wasn't about style. it's about substance and obama not being able to stand on his own record. that record is not going to change between now and the next debate. martha: thank you for being with us today. bill: president obama telling the american people there is one pledge he will always keep. >> four years ago i said i'm not a perfect man and i'm no won't be a perfect president. that's probably a promise governor romney thinks i have kept. you i promised i would fight every single day for the american people and the middle class. i kept that promise. if you will vote for me, then i promise i will fight just as hard in a sec
you have given much more tax breaks to the alternative energy energy and you have nothing to show for it. president obama just looked at him. at the end of the day barack obama couldn't engage on substance last night. the facts aren't going to get any better between thousand and the next two debates. the alternative energy market is not going to start working in the next two weeks. the obama economic policies aren't going to be working in the effect two weeks. it wasn't about style. it's about...
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campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. >>> today's conversation on facebook has been going nonstop since last night's debate. everyone's riled up about romney's attack on big bird and the gang at sesame street. ramon says don't mess with big bird. denetra says i fwru up on sesame street and i want my children to enjoy it, too. elizabeth says one thing for sure, firing big bird is not going to put a...
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past the energy and theatrics we talked about today. ezra kline writes in the "washington post" today, quote, for the most part this is romney's strategy being purposefully vague about the nature of his policies paid off. here's an example. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> virtually everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> for 18 months he's running on this tax plan, and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> joining me now is ezra kline, who is an msnbc policy analyst. ezra, thank you for your time. >> good afternoon. >> let's talk about the headline there, the vagueness here. if that is the reason mitt romney won, is that further proof that the president did not step up with the challenge that was needed to assert himself regarding this vagueness? >> i don't think there's any doubt that president obama underperformed last night, but mitt romney kind of
past the energy and theatrics we talked about today. ezra kline writes in the "washington post" today, quote, for the most part this is romney's strategy being purposefully vague about the nature of his policies paid off. here's an example. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> virtually everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> for 18 months he's running on this tax plan, and now, five weeks before the election,...
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energy of a crowd. part of the challenge that governor romney's going to have is he's gotten affirmation of being aggressive and it's easy when you have had that to take that in to the next setting. most debate strategies don't work as well the second time and in a town hall setting it's a particular problem because it's people asking the questions and aggression towards the moderator in the debate is probably not going to fly in a town hall. that said, he's getting a lot of affirmation for being presidential as opposed to likable. and i think that that's something he's going to take in at least psychologically in to the contest. obama i suspect will see a fooisier performance. >> okay. let's follow up after that debate october 16th. candy crowley. thank you very much, melissa maxi way from emery university. need to talk vice presidential debate. you have vice president joe biden, congressman paul ryan facing off. special coverage next thursday night. >>> just ahead, developing situation along the turke
energy of a crowd. part of the challenge that governor romney's going to have is he's gotten affirmation of being aggressive and it's easy when you have had that to take that in to the next setting. most debate strategies don't work as well the second time and in a town hall setting it's a particular problem because it's people asking the questions and aggression towards the moderator in the debate is probably not going to fly in a town hall. that said, he's getting a lot of affirmation for...
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i think it's important for us to develop new sources of energy here in america. that we change our tax code to make sure that we are helping small businesses and companies that are investing here in the united states. >> reporter: what we saw after the president framed that way, though, framed it that way is that mitt romney punched back and said, wait a second you've been president for four years, why haven't you done some of that. it didn't appear that the president had been challenged in that kind of a direct way in a longtime and didn't really counter punch on those points. he's going to have to recover quickly now not just because we have two more presidential debates and a vice presidental one coming next week, but tomorrow there is a jobs report for the month of september. that is something the obama camp will have to be ready for as well. jon: some are saying is part of the reason romney scored is because he was more personal, had a more personal approach. do you think that is the case in. >> there were some elements of that. we've heard so much out off t
i think it's important for us to develop new sources of energy here in america. that we change our tax code to make sure that we are helping small businesses and companies that are investing here in the united states. >> reporter: what we saw after the president framed that way, though, framed it that way is that mitt romney punched back and said, wait a second you've been president for four years, why haven't you done some of that. it didn't appear that the president had been challenged...
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there was no energy on that. jen before i let you go, i have to ask you a question about the moderator. what did you think of jim lehreer as a moderator? >> i'm not going to get in here into evaluating the monitor. the president did what he needed to do, speak directly to the american people. we're going to evaluate this by what people at home were thinking and what people on their couch came away with. and we think that, you know, mitt romney doubling down on his failed policies, voucherizing medicare, giving tax cuts to milli millionaires and billionaires and leaving the burned burden on the middle class -- >> next up, of course, is the battle of the number twos, vice president biden and congressman paul ryan will be facing off on october 11th in danville, kentucky, their only debate. october 16th is the second presidential debate. that will be moderated by our very own candy crowley in hampsted, long island. and third and final encounter between president obama and governor romney will take place on october 22
there was no energy on that. jen before i let you go, i have to ask you a question about the moderator. what did you think of jim lehreer as a moderator? >> i'm not going to get in here into evaluating the monitor. the president did what he needed to do, speak directly to the american people. we're going to evaluate this by what people at home were thinking and what people on their couch came away with. and we think that, you know, mitt romney doubling down on his failed policies,...
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one, get us energy independent, north american energy independent. that creates about four million jobs. number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america, crack down on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget. number five, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america, and over the last four years small business people have decided that america may not be the place to open a new business. >> so you tell me, why did -- why -- what's so good about that program? why was it so positive to you all? somebody. >> it's not, it's just not correct. i mean, some issues here you have to look at. i mean, if you cut people's taxes, great. who doesn't want that? on the other hand, if you're going to give them -- take away that same money by changing out the loopholes, you end up with the same thing. why is that going to provide more jobs than what we're de
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>> john mccain and i are a couple of mavericks and gosh darn it we are going to take that maverick energy right to washington and we are going to use it to fix this financial crisis. >> the real al gore was so stiff in his first debate. >> i will put medicare and social security in a lock box. >> reporter: the staff made him watch this. >> one of the keys to the lock box would be kept by the president. >> the real john mccain wandered around the stage when he debated obama. and so did "snl's" mccain. the parodies aren't just funny they matter. >> as many people will talk about the "skit" monday as will talk about the actual presidential debate. that's what makes it so powerful. >> reporter: afterall how can the real debate compete with something like this. >> i know the white house. i know the door out to the rose garden doesn't lock unless you pull it. i know that, i know that the toilet in the lincoln bedroom will run all night unless you jiggle that handle. >> reporter: jonathan karl, abc news. >> the strategery. >> oh, that was will farrell doing bush. dana carvey doing the first push
>> john mccain and i are a couple of mavericks and gosh darn it we are going to take that maverick energy right to washington and we are going to use it to fix this financial crisis. >> the real al gore was so stiff in his first debate. >> i will put medicare and social security in a lock box. >> reporter: the staff made him watch this. >> one of the keys to the lock box would be kept by the president. >> the real john mccain wandered around the stage when he...
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i thought the president had no energy. it didn't look like he wanted to engage governor romney. and the fact of the matter is, you know, you can't beat the champ on points. mitt romney hit a knockout last night. >> yes, he did. new jersey governor chris christie, you are right. you were right about this one. >> i have confidence in this guy. i mean, you know, i've been with him since last october. and like i said, this was no crystal ball moment. i watched him over the last year and a quarter. and every time his back has been against the wall, really against the wall, and it was last night, the guy has come out with a great debate performance. and then you heard mike this morning saying that the same kind of thing happened up in massachusetts. look at the guy's history. this guy hasn't been as successful as he's been in everything in his life by not being competitive and being a winner. and that's what he's done. >> all right, governor. >> chris, it's great to talk to you. come on the show sometime. >> you bet i will. >> see you soon. >> i want to hear from meacham. >> that is,
i thought the president had no energy. it didn't look like he wanted to engage governor romney. and the fact of the matter is, you know, you can't beat the champ on points. mitt romney hit a knockout last night. >> yes, he did. new jersey governor chris christie, you are right. you were right about this one. >> i have confidence in this guy. i mean, you know, i've been with him since last october. and like i said, this was no crystal ball moment. i watched him over the last year and...
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it is important to develop new sources of energy here in america. it will be up to the voters what path we should take. will we double down on the top- down economic policies that helped get us into this mess or embrace a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best? i look forward to having that debate. >> it is in honor to be here with you. i appreciate the chance to be with the president. congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i am sure this is the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. congratulations. this is a tender topic. i have met people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman said, "i have been out of work since may. can you help me?" yesterday was a rally in denver. a woman with a baby said, "my husband has had four jobs in three years -- part-time jobs. he lost his recent job." we lost our home. can you help us?" yes, we can. it will take a different path, not the one we have been on. not the one the president describes as a top-down tax cut for the
it is important to develop new sources of energy here in america. it will be up to the voters what path we should take. will we double down on the top- down economic policies that helped get us into this mess or embrace a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best? i look forward to having that debate. >> it is in honor to be here with you. i appreciate the chance to be with the president. congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary....
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. >>> in one year you provided $90 billion to the green energy. that is about 50 years worth of what oil and gas receives and you say this goes small companies to drilling operators and so forth but if we get that tax rate from 35% down to 25% that.$8 million -- kbrinl is on the table probably not going to survive to get that rate down to 25% but you put $90 billion like 50 years worth of breaks into solar and wind. to sole lynn dra and fiska skpr. tesla. i had a friend that said you don't just pick winners and losers. you pick the losers. >> sean: welcome back to hannity. tonight marked the first occasion where president obama and his g.o.p. rival had a head to head opportunity to debate each other face-to-face. joining me now is the former new york city mayor and former presidential candidate, rudy giuliani. you're laughing. that is, you know $90 billion is a lot of money. he was right when he said a lot of the big bundlers got in there. >> what you just saw is what i would describe one of the six knockouts in that, he just knocked them down. an
. >>> in one year you provided $90 billion to the green energy. that is about 50 years worth of what oil and gas receives and you say this goes small companies to drilling operators and so forth but if we get that tax rate from 35% down to 25% that.$8 million -- kbrinl is on the table probably not going to survive to get that rate down to 25% but you put $90 billion like 50 years worth of breaks into solar and wind. to sole lynn dra and fiska skpr. tesla. i had a friend that said you...
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in one year, you provided and $90 billion in breaks to the free energy world. i like green energy. that is about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives. this $2.8 billion goes to smaller companies. if we get that tax rate down to 25 per cent, that money is on the table. do not forget -- you put $90 billion into solar and wind solyndra and tesla. you pick the losers. this is not the kind of policy you want to have to get american energy secure. you said you get a deduction for taking a planned overseas. i have been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you are talking about. the idea you get a break for shipping jobs over the seas is not the case. medicare -- medicaid to states -- i would like to take the medicaid dollars to go to state and tell them they will get what they got last year plus inflation plus 1%. you were manager care for the poor in the way you think best. as a governor when this idea was floated by tommy thompson, the governors said, please, let us do that. we can care for our own for and more effective a way than having the federal government tell us
in one year, you provided and $90 billion in breaks to the free energy world. i like green energy. that is about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives. this $2.8 billion goes to smaller companies. if we get that tax rate down to 25 per cent, that money is on the table. do not forget -- you put $90 billion into solar and wind solyndra and tesla. you pick the losers. this is not the kind of policy you want to have to get american energy secure. you said you get a deduction for taking a...
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the third area, energy. energy is critical, and production of oil and gas in the u.s. is up, but not due to his policies, in spite of his policies. mr. president, all the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. on government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. i am president, i will double them, and also get the oil from offshore and alaska, and i will bring that pipeline in from canada. by the way, i like coal. people in the coal industry feel it is getting crushed by its -- by your policy. i want to get north america at energy independence so we can create those jobs. finally, with regards to that tax cut, i am not looking to cut massive tax and reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there'll be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle income americans. that also means i cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income americans. any language to the contrary is simply
the third area, energy. energy is critical, and production of oil and gas in the u.s. is up, but not due to his policies, in spite of his policies. mr. president, all the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. on government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. i am president, i will double them, and also get the oil from offshore and alaska, and i will bring that pipeline in from canada. by the way, i like...
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energy. energy is critical and the president pointed out correctly that production of gas and oil in the u.s. is up. 3 but not due to his policies. in spite of his policies. all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. on government land your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. if i'm president, i'll double them. i'll also get the oil from offshore in alaska and bring the pipeline in from canada. and i like coal. i want to make sure we continue to burn clean coal. people in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. i want to get america and north america energy independent so we can create those jobs. and finally with regards to that tax cut, look. i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there'll be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. but i do want
energy. energy is critical and the president pointed out correctly that production of gas and oil in the u.s. is up. 3 but not due to his policies. in spite of his policies. all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. on government land your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. if i'm president, i'll double them. i'll also get the oil from offshore in alaska and bring the pipeline in from canada. and i like coal....
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the third area energy. energy is critical. and the president pointed out correctly, that production of oil and gas in the u.s. is up, but not due to his policies. in spite of his policies. all of the increase in natural gas and oil has hand on private land not government langd. your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half on government land. if i'm president i'll double them. and bring the pipeline in from canada. and i'm going to make sure we can continue to burn coal. i want to get america and north america energy independent so we can create those jobs and finally with regards to the tax cut, look i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principal is there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. but i do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle income americans, and to do that, that also means i cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income americans. any language to the contrary is simply not
the third area energy. energy is critical. and the president pointed out correctly, that production of oil and gas in the u.s. is up, but not due to his policies. in spite of his policies. all of the increase in natural gas and oil has hand on private land not government langd. your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half on government land. if i'm president i'll double them. and bring the pipeline in from canada. and i'm going to make sure we can continue to burn...
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now, i like green energy as well. but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives, and you say exxonmobil, this goes largely to drilling operators and so forth. if we get the tax rate from 35% to 25%, that $2.8 billion is on the table. of course it's on the table. probably won't survive if you get the rate to 25%. don't forget, you put $9 0 billion, like 50 years worth of breaks to solar and win to solyndra, fiskar and t northwestetendrel. you don't just pick winners and losers, you pick the losers. and the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case. what we have right now, i would like to bring money from overseas back to this country. and medicaid to states, i'm not sure where this came in. except this. i would like to take medicaid dollars to go to states and say you will get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1%, and then you will manage your care for your poor in the way you think best. and i remember as a governor when this idea was floated by tommy thomps
now, i like green energy as well. but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives, and you say exxonmobil, this goes largely to drilling operators and so forth. if we get the tax rate from 35% to 25%, that $2.8 billion is on the table. of course it's on the table. probably won't survive if you get the rate to 25%. don't forget, you put $9 0 billion, like 50 years worth of breaks to solar and win to solyndra, fiskar and t northwestetendrel. you don't just pick winners and losers,...
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one, get us energy independent. north american energy independent. that creates about 4 million jobs. number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china, if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget. number five, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last four years, small business people have decided that america may not be the place to open a new business. because new business start-ups are down to a 30-year low. i know what it takes to get small business growing again, to hire people. now, i'm concerned that the path that we're on has just been unsuccessful. the president has a view, very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago. that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle-down government, would work. that's not the right answer for america. i'll re
one, get us energy independent. north american energy independent. that creates about 4 million jobs. number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china, if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget. number five, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last...
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at shell, we believe the world needs a broader mix of energies. that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. ♪ >> good morning, back now at 5:15. this is what you missed while you were sleeping. chicago teachers approving a new contract two weeks after ending their strike. it gives them a average of a seven percent raise over three years. teachers currently make 76,000 in the chicago area. the tigers and miguel cabrera now wears the crown. [applause] he is the first triple crown winner in 45 years. royal fans giving him a standing ovation. he led with a 343 batting range. 43 home runs and rbies. way to go. time now for good news talking . this morning, we are hearing from you, the voters, frank lunt speaking with colorado voterss and this is what they said about last night's debate. >> we
at shell, we believe the world needs a broader mix of energies. that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. ♪ >> good morning, back now at 5:15. this is what you missed while you were sleeping. chicago teachers approving a...